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Bid to remove speed cameras from the roads



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Published Date:
07 October 2008
SPEED cameras are not working and should be replaced by mobile cameras to catch unsuspecting motorists, according to a council leader.
Councillor Gerald Vernon-Jackson, leader of Portsmouth City Council, has met senior council figures from across the county to discuss the future of speed cameras – and he wants big changes.
He said Portsmouth's seven fixed cameras have a limited impact on speeding drivers and do not help cut speeds on the city's 20mph residential streets.
He wants the county's Safer Roads Partnership, made up of councils and the police, to agree to focus more on mobile police camera units which could catch motorists unawares.
If not he says the council should pull its £380,000 annual funding to the partnership and instead negotiate directly with police over how to target speeders more effectively.
'The whole point of the Safer Roads Partnership was to reduce speeds across our area and we don't feel the fixed cameras are doing that effectively enough.
'Cameras are a deterrent and make people slow down but then they speed up and shoot off again.
'People thinking that the police are out and about everywhere doing speed checks would be a far better deterrent than a camera.'
Swindon Borough Council has voiced concerns over fixed cameras and will vote this month on whether to stop funding them. Cllr Vernon-Jackson is meeting Portsmouth police on Friday.
'We're going to look to make some changes,' he said. 'If this does not work we will just pull out.'
Cllr Mel Kendal, who is in charge of environmental matters at Hampshire County Council, said that while fixed speed cameras had cut fatalities it was time for changes.
'We have a social obligation in villages and other areas where people feel speeding is an issue, but that might not be accident spots. I have discussed that with the police.
'I am hoping there will be more mobile units.'
Julian Hewitt, Hampshire and Isle of Wight Safer Roads Partnership spokesman, would not comment on possible funding cuts.
'The partnership works with all its partners to deliver the best possible road safety service and we will continue to do this,' he said. 'We encourage partners to put forward ideas for positive change.'

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LocalCommuter,

At The Eastern Road Speed Camera 07/10/2008 09:34:54
the problem with the camera at the Eastern Road is that traffic is generally backed up because of the bad phasing of the the Good Companion traffic lights.

Has anyone ever noticed that even at 3am, the lights will go to red to let a phantom car go to Milton?
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07/10/2008 10:22:36
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Johnny ,

Fareham 07/10/2008 15:51:07
Dishing out fines to unsuspecting motorists does nothing to help road safety, it just earns money and, especially with mobile cameras, makes things much more dangerous due to panic-brakers. There are some scenarios where a little bit of speed actually makes things safer, but a camera can't understand that.

I would welcome a move to eliminate speed cameras, but I have so little faith in TPTB that I'm sure the next trend would come along. We've already seen a rise in excessive traffic calming, ludicrous speed limits and vandalising roads. How about a move to stop victimising motorists?
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Just ziz guy, you know,

07/10/2008 16:55:47
Anyone who gets caught by a speed camera deserves all they get - and more.

I mean, a camera is hardly a surprise - it's signposted in advance and done up in dayglo yellow.

If someone can't manage to avoid that then they really shouldn't be trusted with a motor vehicle in the first place.
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Johnny ,

Fareham 07/10/2008 17:42:07
"Anyone who gets caught by a speed camera deserves all they get - and more.

I mean, a camera is hardly a surprise - it's signposted in advance and done up in dayglo yellow."

I would, up to a point, agree with you. However, as this site reveals, today there are still lots of cameras which are deliberately concealed, making the road more dangerous: http://speedcam.co.uk/
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Mike B,

portsmouth 07/10/2008 17:47:08
So the speed camera's are doing there job, driver are slowing down at these accident hot spots.
If road safety is the real reason for speed camera's, why change things?
Catching drivers unawares, sounds like just another way to screw money out of motorists.
It's also good way to turn people against the police.
Maybe one day Councillor Gerald Vernon Jackson will be caught driving unaware.
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Niel,

'Smuff 07/10/2008 19:05:38
Councillor Gerald Vernon-Jackson seems to have some sense, yes scameras work, for a few yards, but not for much beyond that.
Traversing Highlands Road Fareham the other morning during the walk to school time I saw wheelie poping bikers, speeding car drivers and all the rest, except for the few yards either side of the scamera, where they panic braked to meet the limit, skid marks showing just how fast some travel along there. Police officers with speed guns would be far more effective!
That said speed guns with video, not bare ones, the 'slimfast' method for adding a few MPH (one quick shake is all it takes) to boost ticketing rates in one force was only caught because of that addition...It might also stop the scamera partnership service van speeding along any road the driver likes, as they won't know for certain if that roads being monitored.
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Cunobelin,

07/10/2008 22:22:17
Speed cameras catch those drivers who are too arrogant or unable to obey speed limits...

What is forgotten is that in doing so they identify dangerous drivers.

Drivers who are caught with a speed camera are more then twice as likely to be involved in an accident than those without. Equally speeding is symptomatice (along with aggressive driving and tailgating) of "Risk taking" personalities.

What we really need to do is take the warnings seriously. Find out why these drivers are not obeyingt he speed limits and address these deficiencies in their driving.
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Johnny ,

Fareham 08/10/2008 15:53:46
Yes Cunobelin, because drivers are completely incapable of judging a safe speed for themselves and anyone who goes a few mph over the limit must run over children for fun.

Tell me, what is your honest reaction to seeing this photo? And don't tell me it's because the pavement is too narrow. http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/images/a40_30.jpg
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Cunobelin,

08/10/2008 20:38:32
It is simply because drivers cannot be trusted to drive at a "safe speed" that speed limits are needed and require enforcement.

After all the boy racer on his motorcycle last week in Southampton was only travelling at what HE considered a safe and appropriate speed for the conditions and his skills and competencies. 83mph in a 30 mph zone..... but what is the problem with this - he thought it was a safe speed.



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